Good looking professor wants you to show pity for less attractive professors
Professor Elizabeth Haines: William Paterson University - PsychologyShe made a deal with you. She expects you to keep it.
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Professor Elizabeth Haines: William Paterson University - PsychologyShe made a deal with you. She expects you to keep it.
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March 18th, 2008 at 6:02 pm
she thinks im hot. knew it.
March 18th, 2008 at 6:12 pm
you are hot Jake ; )
March 18th, 2008 at 6:12 pm
shawty is a TEN
March 19th, 2008 at 4:30 pm
i like the title of the post
March 19th, 2008 at 4:31 pm
attractive professors entice in-class day dreaming
March 19th, 2008 at 7:43 pm
I’m willing to obey and I’m not even in her class. Yikes.
March 20th, 2008 at 6:13 am
These professors are living the cliche - “Those who can, DO; those who can’t, TEACH!” The only reason anyone gets a PhD in psych is to try and figure themselves out, and when they can’t, it has to be those lazy students. This chic knows Freud! Physician - heal thyself!
March 20th, 2008 at 11:03 am
I just want to respond to J.D. He/she cannot even bother to respond to a particular person. Thus “these professors.” He/she then decides to use a cliche as an organizing theory: this is exactly the sort of cheap, easy, blame-seeking behavior that our “good-looking professor” was talking about. I see a great deal of it and so do many or my colleagues. It’s a disease that makes people who would otherwise be just uninteresting and ignorant, like J.D., downright toxic.
March 21st, 2008 at 3:29 pm
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March 22nd, 2008 at 3:55 pm
Feminst Law poster- did you watch the video responses? They speak for them selves. How can you say they are not striking back?
March 22nd, 2008 at 8:31 pm
She said social contract. How many of her students have to look that up?
March 24th, 2008 at 10:01 am
possibly one of the sexiest professors ever…. I went in for extra help, she left with a money shot!
March 24th, 2008 at 7:41 pm
Are you single? Marry me!
March 25th, 2008 at 12:00 pm
What a freaking loser teacher… this isn’t about how much can I shove down the Student Throat - it’s supposed to be about Student LEARNING but that has be lost in Translation…
March 25th, 2008 at 6:18 pm
Wow - what a professor…. it’s only a job isn’t it - “you do your work and I do mine”. and maybe then you are successful and if not who cares, because ” I did my job and you apparently not yours” … well maybe your job suck and you should improve the your didactic and pedagogic skills instead spending so much time being right!
March 26th, 2008 at 5:18 pm
Would like to tell DMG something. When you have the job of a professor—something which appears highly unlikely at the moment—perhaps you will change your tune. Perhaps not. You may be beyond repair. I urge you to take advantage of some remedial programs and a course of religious or ethical counseling. It doesn’t matter which one. Also, perhaps you should see a psychiatrist. Your presentation of self is almost incoherent, but one can at least make out that it is really stupid, and this is worrying because it suggest a sociopathological style of pretending to be a “college student.” But it is difficult to diagnose these things from afar. Anyway, I wish you well.
March 28th, 2008 at 2:26 pm
It sounds like you are a bit of a power tripper… You need to realize that people have lives and that you demanding and making things mandatory in your class (I am not saying its bad) is just making you look like you are a punisher of people with lives. I do very well with professors who understand I work 40 hours a week and I am marred and I have absolutely no time for anything else. Circumstances are always different. I didn’t have the luxury of going to school when I was younger, but I do have it now. Attendance at a college or university should never be mandatory and neither should homework and papers…(unless you are in english or literature). Lecture and give the test. Make it applicable to real life. Why is your class so important for me? Make it known to your students and have a sense of humor. Good luck.
March 28th, 2008 at 6:01 pm
Hi Ronnie. In regard to this idea that “I do very well with professors who understand I work 40 hours a week and I am married and I have absolutely no time for anything else,” does that mean that you have some professors who don’t ask you do do anything for their classes, or who give you good grades whether or not you produce good work? Because many professors do this sort of thing because they are burned out by students, such as you, who are always complaining that everything else other than the course they themselves signed up for is important. Why is any class important to you? Why sign up? Why go to college? If your real life is somewhere else and not at college, go away. I promise your professor won’t miss you at all. And, try that “I’m too busy” line with your boss some time. Or your husband. Or your children. Then check out Rate My Employee, or Rate My Wife, or Rate My Mom.
March 28th, 2008 at 6:54 pm
Or as I tell my full-time working students, “No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve School and work” (Matt 6:24). Then I bless them and ascend into heaven.
Ronnie, that attitude does seem pompous and all, but Alan is correct–or in studentese, “totally correct.”
March 29th, 2008 at 3:46 pm
Alan, in response to your post I think you are honestly full of **** no offense. I agree with Ronnie attendance at a college should never be mandatory in some classes such as psychology. There is nothing professors can teach you that is not in the book. I think that it is time As far as homework and papers not being mandatory I think that is a better a little bit too extreme. See, I have truly been a supporter of papers since these truly reflect how much you really know rather than just purely memorization however, I do not think papers should be a big deal worth a chunk of the grade. Every student has a different writing style which sometimes conflicts with the instructor’s however the student may not be a bad writer overall. My reason for why attendance should not be mandatory is pretty simple, there is nothing you can learn in a 50 minute lecture that you cannot grasp by reading the book. As far as application to real life is concerned I strongly agree here as well. Although lectures should not be mandatory the true quality of a professor is to make students want to attend the lectures and learn. This can be accomplished through real life applications, sense of humor and mutimedia. So Alan, I understand your point but, there is no reason for bashing someone because, they don’t agree with your views. It makes your arguements weaker and nobody really cares to listen to you. I guess this sociopathological illness your talking about reflects your personality and you should seek some mental help before it is too late.
March 29th, 2008 at 5:47 pm
Hi Jake. First of all, it’s really difficult to not be offensive while you are telling someone that they are full of excrement, and so I don’t fault you for not being successful at it. Second, your remarks about attendance are odd, given that I didn’t say anything about the subject, but I am not surprised that by this: many students, and you are clearly one of them, cannot tease the core of an argument out of even the clearest piece of prose. Also, I am ambivalent about attendance policies because while students should be mature enough to make their own decisions in these matters, they often, sadly, don’t have the sense that god gave a goat, and therefore need some extra prodding. It’s difficult. If, as you claim, you don’t like lectures but do like so-called real life applications, a sense of humor, and multimedia, you should shop around for professors who can give you stock tips and grooming advice, and crack jokes, and show movies. Otherwise, I cannot make much sense of your difficulties. Do you want to come to class or not? That’s the real issue. Nobody can teach you anything if you aren’t there.
March 29th, 2008 at 7:16 pm
Jake, ever hear of the University of Phoenix Online? If you’re not getting an education from the professors in the college that you currently attend, I suggest you enroll in some Internet skool and get your sheepskin that way.
In the oral tradition, you “know” what you can repeat. That is, what you have in your head. For example, you “know” your zip code because you can spew it. In the written tradition, you “know” what you can look up. That is, you know where in written documents to look for the information. For example, you “know” your best friend’s cell number, because you have it stored in your own cell phone (or “know” a set of digits because you know about the table of logarithms in the back of the book). You don’t really “know” this material in your head–in the usual understanding of the verb “to know.” The university tradition, as it has evolved from the Middle Ages, is a residually oral one. That means that, in many cases, while you still are responsible for completing papers at home–or by cutting and pasting from Wikipedia–you need to “know” some material by holding that information in your head. Testing is often used by faculty to gauge what it is you’ve done with the information that you’ve jammed into your head. In fact, after you write a paper, your original take on the synthesis of your research is what you can actually spew orally, if required. It’s a reflection of what you “know.” The result of your research and writing is what you can spew orally; it’s not the 10-15 pages that you purchased from academon.com.
So even those poor PhDs who have to write dissertations (and doctoral students who take qualifying exams, like Alan and Ramón), must defend them orally. In other words, ultimately, in the university tradition, what you know is what you can repeat orally. If you think that all information is “in the book,” and can’t be conveyed through some discursive, in-class lecturing, then you’re short-changing yourself.
Your better professors prod your thinking in class by sometimes making outrageous statements. If you want to challenge your idiot professors and their ridiculous assertions, you should engage in a dialogue with them. That’s a reflection of your thinking. A book won’t do this with you. Good luck, Jake. Seriously.
March 29th, 2008 at 10:32 pm
Jake, and all of the rest of the student commentators, I just want to add that I am in complete agreement with what Ramón has just written. I also want to add, as he did, good luck. Seriously.
April 1st, 2008 at 11:25 am
Ah the age old argument on class attendance. I would rather hear an animated professor lecture on a subject any day rather than try to squint out tiny weeny text in a giant text book. I like reading as much as any other person but why do that when you can get the condensed interactive version? That and most professors don’t test over every single thing in your text book. Attending class makes whittling down what you need to know a little easier. It’s practical, really.
However, admittedly not every single professor lectures well. I’ve had more than my share of mind numbing lectures in monotone voice. Add that in with homework for other classes, sleeping disorders, and heaven forbid you get involved with a performance major that requires outside rehearsals– sometimes the energy to get up for class at 7 in the morn just isn’t there. I’m usually at my best in the PM hours when most classes are over– and I graduated well in the top 5% of my class. No, I didn’t have a fabulous attendance record.
I think moderation is the key here. Yes, there are students who have that. Anyone who doesn’t needs to learn, or fail. The rules shouldn’t be changed to accommodate them. We are in a learning environment right? Then learn responsibility. University is not for children. Mandatory attendance is unnecessary.
And yes, knowing something is the equal of having the ability to recall and discuss but I will never agree that *testing* is a great way of measuring actual knowledge. People can prepare for tests.
I have photographic memory. I can recall anything over a short period of time. Tests are easy. However, I can’t recall a damned thing I put on tests during my time at uni. Tests are about short term performance, not knowledge. Some of the best students are nothing but academic actors.
This isn’t necessarily a disagreement with any comment, just something to think about.
April 2nd, 2008 at 10:03 pm
Prof. Haines,
Looks like you have your students’ attention by the number and length of the posts, but being a psychology professor you should recognize classical conditioning when you see it and that is exactly what rate my professor is. The sheep following more sheep.
I attend CSUSB and rate my professor is an interesting research project you should try it sometime.
Good Job,
Kathy from California
April 3rd, 2008 at 2:47 pm
To Jake, J.D., Ramon and especially Alan… YOU GUYS ARE ***
To Prof. Haines… if youre reading this, which I know you are, hit me up sometime ; ) xarmandohaxsu AT yahoo DOT com
April 3rd, 2008 at 5:57 pm
I had her I think in 2004(ish) for Psychology and, yes, she does expect quality work of her students but isn’t that the point of college? To meet challenges? I actually LEARNED in her class and not because of her looks…
And for all you 18-24 yr. old immature slackers…she has a husband and child and I doubt she wants to downgrade.
April 4th, 2008 at 10:37 pm
I respect HB’s comments. Kudos!
April 5th, 2008 at 5:19 pm
If a professor just “trusts” that you learned because on a couple tests that you could have memorized the answers for the night before and then never remember again, then he/she is doing a disservice to those who teach the next level of the subject. A professor expects students to come to class with the knowledge necessary from previous classes.
If you really hate lectures, take your classes online! What did you expect college was going to be like?!?!? Grow up.
For those of you like Ronnie, while it is understandable that you have other activities, it is the professor’s jpb to make sure you learned everything you are supposed to know. They cannot teach to the lowest degree just because a few students have busy schedules, it is not fair to the other students. You cannot expect everything to go your way. Why is it, that I, an 18 year old, can understand this, but someone who obviously should be considered an adult cannot? Sometimes you have to make sacrifices. Maybe you do have to chose between higher education and quality time with your kids. That sucks but it happens. I had to chose between taking care of my sick father and school. I didn’t ask my teachers not to make papers mandatory. I dropped a class because I knew I had other obligations and put off finishing my high school and college degree (I was dual enrolled). Make choices and be responsible for yourself.
April 7th, 2008 at 7:41 pm
She is throwing gang signs! OMG!
April 8th, 2008 at 9:27 pm
Re: Elizabeth Haines
What a horrible response! She practically responded as if there was no way that is could be her horrible teaching skills that caused the bad grades, it’s alway the student fault. Well hunny, that’s not always the case. Maybe if you looked at the marks you’ve been getting you’d study harder on making yourself a better teacher. You can’t call it a career unless you’re good at it!
April 10th, 2008 at 2:00 am
I agree with Lauren. All Professor Haines is saying is that by doing everything on the syllabus, you’ll do well in the class, which is the equivalent of saying nothing and/or absolving herself of the blame. Why does the University pay her to teach? So that she can assign students to read the textbook and prepare for the exams on their own? No. It’s so that she can relay her knowledge and promote interest in the subject. I’ve had wonderful psych professors that have had extremely difficult exams, but I don’t complain about them because THEY didn’t have a communication problem like Haines might have. The fact that Haines has blamed everything on the students is because she’s in denial and thinks that she’s almighty when it comes to teaching…
As a sidenote, I don’t think that she’s THAT attractive. Compared to other professors, maybe she is, but she’s pretty average looking compared to the population. And according to most of the posts, her teaching methods are subpar.
April 13th, 2008 at 1:45 pm
Maybe she often wears short skirts or other revealing clothing? My best guess…
April 15th, 2008 at 5:29 pm
eh, what an idiot. this is why her c.v. is so unimpressive. (accoridng to many of the faculty members i talked to) apparently she cant be published on her own, and always needs to co-author.
April 17th, 2008 at 11:07 pm
I feel that many of these comments are hurtful, and I wish that individuals would be more thoughtful with their writing.
April 18th, 2008 at 1:01 pm
I’ve never had this professor, but I know her type. And I know my type. I’m the type that would do well in her class, because I show up, I take notes, I read the texts, I submit the papers, and I communicate with the professor often to make sure I’m not missing anything. Some of these angry folks that have nothing but sexist and idiotic comments to say about her are undoubtedly the other type of student: kids who show up late if at all, don’t read the books, text their significant others in class, and then blame the professor when their grades suffer. Everyone has a bum day here and there, but this type seem to have bum semesters.
As students, we are individuals. But it’s not in the professor’s job description to cater to people who don’t have the decency to be real students. We’re here to learn, remember. If you’re not showing up or if you don’t pay attention, you’re not holding up your end of the bargain.
April 25th, 2008 at 11:26 am
What’s her e-mail address?I have sth to ask!
April 25th, 2008 at 11:27 am
hi
April 26th, 2008 at 9:44 am
First I’d like to say she’s gorgeous but brunettes are more attractive to me. Now that that’s been said, let’s get to the meat of my comment.
This is college. That, to me as a student, means it is now my decision on whether ot not to go to class. I don’t feel a teacher should ever tell me I must be in class. That’s high school thinking. In this day, at least for those of us that have to work to pay our way through college (not have mommy and daddy footing the bill for us, or a free ride), our schedules are quite busy. If i feel I need a day off from the class, then I should not be penalized for it. With that being said, if I don’t keep up on the work and I don’t do well on the tests because i’m missing classes, well then that’s my fault ultimately. I’d better find a way to rearrange my schedule. I signed up for the class, I am the one that needs the credit. I guess I should never have signed up for the course in the first place, then.
On another note, I think some teachers should be understanding that in general, people are busier these days, especially those with families. It isn’t a 1-income family anymore that cuts it.
I graduated with an Electrical Engineering Bachelor’s degree that took me 7 years to complete because I had to work full time for all of it just to pay my way. My grades weren’t the best, I graduated with a 2.66 overall, but I earned that degree and nobody can ever take it away from me.
I experienced a few different types of teachers during my education. There were the ‘lecture freaks’ that just talked in a monotone voice, put pages of the book up on an overhead and went through it (i could do this from home, geez), and then tested you on the readings. This could have been an online course for crying out loud.
I had some teachers that lectured, then gave tons of busy work. I learned some from these courses, depending on if the busy work was practical at all and could be related to real world situations.
And finally, I had other teachers who were loud, obnoxious at times, rude at times, silly and crazy, and I got the most out of those courses.
I think that teachers who are in their students’ faces, changing the tone of the classes, getting students physically involved in the concepts, get students to learn alot more than traditionally writing notes on a board for everyone to copy (which I’m not listening anyways because I’m busy hurrying to write everything before it is all erased).
In grade school my favorite teacher was one as I mentioned above. He’d get all over kids if they weren’t learning their math. But we would play educational games like Math Baseball, divided up in teams, etc, then we’d get recess if everyone knew all the answers. He would have 1-liners that he’d use on the kids not paying attention like, ‘put an egg in your shoe and beat it, you GOON”. Just a great teacher and really enjoyable.
Anyways, perhaps what I’ve said above doesn’t apply to true freshman students right out of college. My point of view is coming from someone that had nothing handed to him. I had to work to get through school, otherwise I didn’t go. So I definitely can see the teacher’s point of view with getting upset with some of these students who think they are entitled to a decent grade.
April 27th, 2008 at 3:21 am
teacher, could you tell us your e-mail address?
April 29th, 2008 at 9:15 pm
what a b*tch!!
April 30th, 2008 at 6:06 pm
I think Alan does not like being a professor and doesn’t care about his students.